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More SU Carb problems

Postby saabfast » 05 Apr 2008 17:23

I have been trying to tune the carbs ready for the MOT as it was running rather rich last year. However, I had a small problem with a leak from the float chamber gasket of the front carb. Amazingly the local motor factor had one in a box of 'old bits', although the guy was too young to even know what an SU was and gave me the box to look through.

Having replaced the gasket that part is fine but the overflow now keeps trickling fuel. I have removed the float and cleaned the needle valve (small bit of cr4p from the hose by the look of it), and it seems to seal OK when blowing through it. The float looks OK, no liquid in it or anything. But it keeps weeping! Apart from the risk, with the price of fuel now its like throwing gold away. Any ideas?

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Postby gaz » 05 Apr 2008 19:59

was it the gasket or the "o" ring you replaced the o ring sits on the needle its self..... if not try that as well and possibly a new needle they don't cost much i think s&s do them for about £4-£6 each

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Postby saabfast » 05 Apr 2008 21:05

Gaz, the gasket was the paper one for the top of the float chamber. I did not take out the needle valve holder, only removed the float (driving out the hinge pin) and the needle valve drops out allowing the orifice to be cleaned. I assume that you mean the 'o' ring between the brass needle holder and the top (I have not seen an 'o' ring on the needle itself). I will have to check this.

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Postby Hasbeen » 06 Apr 2008 00:05

Alan, the main jets, in the throat of your SUs, are lower than the
float chamber gasket, or the overflow. You must have petrol running
from these, if its overflowing from the top. No wonder its rich.

Your float chamber needle, & seats should be replaced, making sure
the alloy washer between the seat, & the top of the float chamber is
replaced. This should fix the problem, provided fuel pump is still
original. Clean out the fuel lines from the pump, to the carbys
while you are at it.

Having said that, a car can sometimes run quite OK, while driving,
with leaking needle & seats, as the amount of petrol getting past
them is no more than the engine uses when under way. The problem
occurs when stopped, idling, as the engine no longer uses the amount
of fuel leaking into the float chamber.

If your pump has been replaced, or modified, the problem can become
much greater. SUs are designed to run with no more than 2 PSI fuel
pressure, & many of the replacement pumps have a higher pressure
than that, depending on the instillation. Find someone who can test
your fuel pressuer for you, & if its below 2 PSI, fit the new needle
& seats.

If its too high, we have ways of fixing that too.

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Postby saabfast » 06 Apr 2008 08:27

Thanks Hasbeen, the pump has not beeen changed and the car/fuel system has always been OK since I had the car (2 years +). I only needed to change the float cover gasket but one thing leads to another on these things! I had tried a 'spare' from an old carb but it did the same so I wanted to see if there could be some other reason.
When I took the dashpot covers and pistons out for cleaning the front carb main jet orifice was running fuel (rear carb was OK).
I think you are right re replacement of the float needle valve.

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Postby jclay (RIP 2018) » 06 Apr 2008 14:00

saabfast,

Next time you have it apart, shake the float and listen for any fluid moving around inside. If they develop a tiny hole, they can fill up with fuel and ride heavy, so even if you have it set right, it will never float high enough to close the valve.

Also, check the float pin. I know that on the SU's in my Sprite, you can put the pin in from the wrong direction and really mess things up.

Have fun, drive fast & safe, be kewl,

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Postby saabfast » 06 Apr 2008 16:25

jclay, I did check the float an all looked OK, no sign of any fluid in it. Unfortunately there appears to be no way to adjust the level on an SU (unlike the Stromberg IIRC from my Vauxhall days).
Interesting point about the hinge pin, it looked symetrical apart from a little knurling on one end to grip in the casting but I will look again next w/e.

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Postby jclay (RIP 2018) » 06 Apr 2008 19:33

[url="http://www.gowerlee.dircon.co.uk/Tips.htm#float%20level"]Setting the float level[/url]

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Postby saabfast » 06 Apr 2008 21:22

Thanks jclay, but mine are the 'later type plastic float' and not adjustable as your note states.

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Postby bmcecosse » 06 Apr 2008 21:31

There is a later type of float valve that is supposedly better - uses a ball instead of a taper needle. Try MOSS for this. Or you could just swap valves between carbs - and see if the problem follows the valve !

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Postby Hasbeen » 07 Apr 2008 06:46

Alan, I have had this problem of the front carb flooding in 2 of my
7s, fitted with SUs.

One was cured with new needle valves in the floats. The other was
not, & it took 4 months, with some unconventiomal "mods" before I
got it OK. Its not "right" as the fuel in the front carb main jet is
higher than in the rear carb, but I've been driving the car for
almost 6 years, so its not too bad.

I did try the "ball" needle, & they were just the same as the pointy
ones, & no better with my flooding.

If new needles don't cure your problem, I'll give you the gory
details of my cure, what worked, & probably more importantly, what
didn't work, so you can avoid wasting money.

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Postby saabfast » 07 Apr 2008 19:44

Thanks Hasbeen. I have ordered a new float needle valve from Robsport so will try that at the w/e. It is very irritating as it only started with changing the cover gasket.
BMC, I would rather not tempt fate by touching the rear carb. I tried a 'spare' top & float assembly but that did the same, although the float did seem to touch the cover as it shut off when tested off the car so maybe it was not good.

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Postby saabfast » 11 Apr 2008 21:08

Got the new float needle valve from Robsport and fitted tonight. All seems to be OK now (crossed fingers). The valve needle was a different design to the old one with an aluminium valve instead of fibre, but still a pointed needle. There was no washer with the new assembly so I kept the old one (which looked like thin brass rather than ali) to lower the valve a shade further and help the shut off.
Now to spend the w/e trying to tune the carbs!

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