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Pre heater hose

Postby Rblackadar » 04 Jan 2008 00:42

I need a pre heater hose from the heat stove to the air cleaner. I have seen the UK made ones which are a rubber or plastic corrugated design. I was wondering if anyone here has bought one from Vickie Brit and found it to be the same one....I'd hate to spend 40-50 bucks to find out its actually a cheapo $7.00 Mighty Flo brand from CarQuest. I had bought one of these before and the longest one doesn't even reach from point A to point B.

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Postby silverseven » 04 Jan 2008 02:02

really good question Bob ......

Mine looks horrible too, it would be great to find a good source for a replacement!

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Postby mikehardwick » 04 Jan 2008 11:37

Bob - I've never come across that idea before, presumably it's a well known cold start dodge in areas with extremely low winter temperatures - would try it here - if I had a stove in the garage!

I seem to remember two 'cold start' devices from way back here in the UK. One was an element that was plumbed into the sump, which you plugged into the mains, thus prewarming the oil, the other was a similar device which was plumbed - I think - into the top hose, prewarming the coolant to pretty near thermostat opening temperature.

Haven't seen them advertised for many years though. Wonder if they still exist? The water warmer would be handy for my winter Holley 390 icing problems!

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Postby marknotgeorge » 04 Jan 2008 12:58

I've seen them in Rimmer's catalogue - made by Kenlowe,as I recall.

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Postby Workshop Help » 04 Jan 2008 14:08

Hi! It's me again. I hate to be a 'buttinski', but this issue of what should be a simple and inexpensive part being overpriced by some parts stores is beyond irksome.

What many fail to understand is that the Z-S carburetors function best when the temperature of the carburetor is about 100 degrees Farenheit. This is why hot air from the exhaust manifold is needed until the carburetors have warmed up. Then the sensor in the air cleaner closes the flap door and outside air is admitted thru the air filter. This opening and closing of the flap door can be a continous process, depending on the outside air's temperature.

The hose from the manifold is a key element. Removing it delays the warm-up of the carburetors. It is important that a carburetor be heated so fuel in the float bowl can atomize and be drawn into the chamber where it is blended with the incoming air. Thus an efficient mixture is combusted. If, and more often when, the hot air hose is absent, the fuel is in the form of large droplets and blended with cold air producing a less than efficient mixture. This gives an uneven performance as misfires occur until the carburetors eventually warm up from the proximity of the engine heat. In cold weather, that warm up will take a long time.

The flip side is during warm weather, the need for hot air from the exhaust manifold is non-existant and the air cleaner flap door opens to the outside air very quickly as the carburetors reach 100 degrees Farenheit. Please understand, the heating of the carburetors is to warm the fuel only. Once at proper operating temperature, an engine functions best on warm fuel and COLD air. This is why modern cars have dedicated hoses directed thru the fenders to draw in unheated air. The TR7 stock air cleaner draws in air from the heated area under hood area. It would behoove the engine if a hose was attached to the air cleaner spigot and channeled to the unheated air thru the fender.

I am amused and bemused by people that wrongly think eliminating the stock air cleaner for accessory 'pancake' or 'Longflo' style air cleaners are improving the efficiency of their engines. They may look good, but they fly in the face of the proven results a cold air intake hose. Perhaps if you're interested another post can explain how easy a cold air hose installation is accomplished.

So, the engine needs that hot air hose.

In fact, there are a couple ways to get around the overpriced hoses out there. The brand from 'Mighty Flow!' has part number 96032, which is a 1 3/4" by 36" hose that can be stretched to fit. Or, as we have done, get two 1 3/4" by 18" hoses and a 1 3/4" by about 3" to 4" steel exhaust connector, along with two 1 3/4" hose clamps. The advantage of the two hose technique is that when one section of hose is damaged, it is easier and less expensive to to replace that one section. These items are found at the local automotive parts houses.

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Postby Rblackadar » 04 Jan 2008 16:26

I had the Mighty flow one before... the 36" one and it didn't fit...too short. I could connect another one too but I'm shooting for as original as possible. I think the Kenlowe one looks to be plastic/rubber material and more authentic looking than the Mighty one. I found the Mighty flow ones a bit flimsy and started to unravel as soon as I got it on[:(]So if anyone knows if the Vickie Brit is the Kenlowe or Mighty Flow....please let us know...Thanks.

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Postby Periwinkle » 04 Jan 2008 17:39

Bob,
I bought the VB pre-heater hose last year because I could not find anything that was long enough. The quality is ok. I can't remember the manufacturer. I put it on the car last winter and it did help.

Good luck,

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Postby Rblackadar » 04 Jan 2008 21:02

Hey Periwinkle! I'm glad to hear that the performance improved with the hose. Do you know what material it's made of???

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Postby Periwinkle » 07 Jan 2008 23:48

Hey Bob,

The pre-heater hose is flexi-pipe. I looked at my car today at work and consulted on the material for the hose. It appears metal (aluminum I would guess) covered by a thick paper-like material.

Sorry, this is the best I can do. [:I]

Good Luck,

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Postby Rblackadar » 08 Jan 2008 00:38

No Problem. Thanks so much for checking. I'm going to call Moss to see if they have the Kenlowe one available. The VB one is pricey for paper covered aluminum foil.

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