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Postby trphil » 19 Dec 2007 12:20

It takes roughly 150,000 miles of driving in most cars before the amount of energy expended in use exceeds the amount of energy expended in manufacture. Therefore the longer you keep an old car and refrain from buying a new one the less energy will be expended.

Also of course the obsession with atmospheric carbon dioxide is fundamentally flawed in that the increase of atmospheric carbon dioxide comes after an increase in temperature, it's not a cause it's an effect.

The timescales over which our records prevail are far too small to make any kind of prediction over whether temperatures are increasing or decreasing. The fact that records began during the Maunder Minimum mean that it is very likely that any particular day is going the be the warmest "since records began".

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Postby john » 19 Dec 2007 12:26

This thread is typical of how i believe the majority of the people feel so why are we lead by the Ninority in all our countries.

I bow to the technical knowledge and spin, some of you should surely be in politics.

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Postby tr7inc » 19 Dec 2007 15:04

This is how i see things, sure modern cars may have all the gadgets, and the reliablity etc, but one thing i dont feel they have is individual character, and that is one thing our 7's will have bececuse they ar different, sure we all may have a modern car to take us where we bneed to go ( usually work0, but what better way to get away from it all, is when you step inside of youre old TR, i'm not quuite finsihed restoring mine but im nearly there and i am proud to own mine & to have something that is British whatever people then or now think of the TR7.

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Postby rsamis » 19 Dec 2007 18:00

This thread reminds me of a thought I had the other day when I was at the Pick-n-Pull checkout: Why was I being charged an "environmental fee" to reuse something and keep it OUT of the landfill? [:(!]

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Postby Chris Turner » 19 Dec 2007 18:03

I am fortunate enough to own a modern car which is also a classic. It is expensive to tax, uses the best fuel but for the mileage I do, about 3,000 pa who cares. We have a low emmissions car at work which does 35,000 miles per year so which does most damage to the planet.

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Postby john 215 » 19 Dec 2007 18:42

Hi,
I think that at the end of the day its not in the oil company's intrest to find a clean alternative to fossil fuels,we know how powerful they are and how far ther intrests reach.If anyone you know comes up with a safe way to store hydrogen to use as fuel in a internal combustion engine then let me know and i will send a tenner a week in royaties!! The person who cracks that one will become very very rich and the Arabs will be back to selling fine carpets!!
As far as pollution,power stations and factories in the developing world push out more cr4p into the atmoshere in one day than all the cars in the UK do in a year!!
I will now step of my soap box and bid you a good evening!!
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Postby FI Spyder » 20 Dec 2007 00:52

Just one last word about global warming before we put this to bed. Most of you are too young to remember this but back in the early 70's the scientists were warning us of the ice age we were going into. The evidence was the ever shortening growing seasons most noticable in the northern climes. Russia in the 30's had opened up huge collective farms in their north in a time of global warming trend. Every thing was fine until the 60's and 70's when the growing season got too short and crops started failing year after year requiring them to buy vast amounts of wheat from Canada. It was also felt in the Peace River district (northern Alberta) in Canada when the ever shortening growing season caused loss of wheat production. World starvation was just around the corner as Canada, the breadbasket of the world would not have the production it once had.

Fast forward to 21st century and we now have global warming. Temperature swings have always been a part of our world with minor swings every 60 years or so, bigger swings every 500 years or so. When the Vikings populated Iceland, Greenland, and Vineland (Newfoundland) the world was very much warmer than it is now. The last ice age was 14,000 years ago and they have come and gone many. Alligator fossils have been found in Greenland an animal that only exists in warm swampy climate.

Should we be recycling, stop spewing poison into the air and water? Sure, of course we should but nothing we do is going to stop the natural ebb and flow of climate change that has happened since as far back as or science can see. So to all the Chicken Littles of the world stop trying to tell us the sky is falling in and we have to majorly affect the world economies or we'll all be destoyed.

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Postby Underdog » 20 Dec 2007 02:32

That was perfect FI. Amen

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Postby John Clancy » 20 Dec 2007 08:35

Not quite perfect F1;you forgot about the replacement to the erroneous ice age theory once that had been debunked... namely the hole in the ozone that was going to kill us all with radiation poisoning.

There are more spacecraft studying Mars now than at any time in our history. Why? Is it because all those Martians driving around in their BMW's caused the planet to go into a runaway greenhouse effect or is it because scientists realize that to understand this planet they have to understand what happened on others.

The oceans on this planet spew out far more CO2 than the human population. Our levels are totally insignificant compared to the oceans. And when a volcano erupts you can forget about any damage caused by man.

One final point... there are also more spacecraft than at any time studying the sun. I don't quite know the exact reasoning for this but I suspect it's because we don't understand it very well and why it causes the constant climate changes on Earth. Let's hope they find the answers though reducing man made pollution is a rather good thing in itself. I just don't appreciate the politicians using 'global warming' as an excuse to tax us.

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Postby Odd » 20 Dec 2007 12:48

Personally I don't like <u>any</u> reason to tax us... [:D]

It wasn't Mars who have had a greenhouse effect gone mad, it was Venus.
The Mars atmosphere is being blown off by solar wind among other things...

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Postby ngtf » 21 Dec 2007 11:30

There has been a lot of rubbish put round by the so-called specialists in alleged environmentally informed groups about the problems of car usage versus protecting the environment itself. A scientist has now found out that cars are more greener than cows!! Check out the link below and make your own minds up.

http://www.autocar.co.uk/News/NewsArticle/AllCars/229696/

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Postby Rich in Vancouver » 21 Dec 2007 14:04

AND.....To answer the original question...........



Yes, We are all mad, Quite mad, Mad as March Hares.


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Postby Hasbeen » 21 Dec 2007 14:34

Yep! Wholeheartedly, gloriously, completely, extravagantly MAD.

Love it.

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Postby omichaelshar » 24 Dec 2007 11:02

<blockquote id="quote"><font size="1" face="Century Gothic, Verdana, Arial, Helvetica" id="quote">quote:<hr height="1" noshade id="quote"><i>Originally posted by Hasbeen</i>

Yep! Wholeheartedly, gloriously, completely, extravagantly MAD.
Love it.
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With you Hasbeen, and all that have contributed.

This Forum is an outstanding community, brought together by interest in a piece of practical art - the wedge!

I so much value being part of it.

I hope you all have a wonderful holiday season...

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Postby john 215 » 24 Dec 2007 16:51

Hi
Owen and Hasbeen,couldnt agree more [:D] [;)]
Cheers john.

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