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Electrical troubleshooting

Postby nick » 20 Oct 2007 21:34

Electricity is not my strong suit. Having said that, I have a problem with my '79 TR7. If I do not use the car, the battery goes flat in a week. If I disconnect the battery it is full up even 3 weeks later when I go for a start. Figuring that all grounds have to end up at the negative side of the battery, I thought that if I checked voltage at the negative side I would be able to see the voltage drain. It showed zero volts. Next I turned on the the parking lights and got .009 volts. That seems awfully low. Next I decided I didn't know what I was doing and better ask for help. How should I troubleshoot for a votage drain when the key is off?

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Postby ngtf » 20 Oct 2007 22:38

A problem I had with both of my 7's was the switch for the boot (trunk?) light was staying on causing the battery drain. I only noticed it when I put a car in the garage at night, turning the lights off revealed a glow behind the number plate light. I took the bulb out of the boot light, low and behold, no battery drain!!

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Postby jclay (RIP 2018) » 20 Oct 2007 22:53

Flip the lights on the doors down and close the doors. If the lights stay on then the bolt that holds the stop for the switch has come loose and the stop has swung down. It is on the left trunk hinge.


Also, pull your alternator and have it checked. Somethings the regulators start going bad and will drain the battery.

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Postby FI Spyder » 20 Oct 2007 22:56

Connect a multimeter using 10 amp setting between the neg post and neg cable. My Integra does the same thing even with a optima red cap battery. Draining about 1/3 amps.

You pull fuses until the meter reads a current drop and you will know the circuit and items on it to check to check.

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Postby Odd » 20 Oct 2007 23:26

Nick,
what you need is a clamp-on ampere meter capable of measuring <u>dc</u> [not ac] current down into the few milliamps range. Then attach the jaws around one + cable at a time, read the amperage flowing through that wire, jot down the number on a piece of paper - move on to the next wire/cirquit and repeat. After a while you will have checked them all out and have a neat listing on the paper telling you what is the problem...

[If it <u>is</u> a problem - modern electronics tend to use a lot of juice already in off, or sleep, mode. Compare this to yesteryear when the only 'drain' was the operation of the clock... Now radios, alarms systems and all the other add-ons we've fitted into the cars adds tens, or hundreds, of milliamperes to the steady drain of the battery when the car is parked. And with a 'weak' battery there aren't that many hundreds of hours before it goes flat if the drain is say 150 milliamperes...]

Using a clamp meter saves the work of breaking up each cirquit for checking with an ordinary in-line ampere meter and then refitting it again afterwards - doing it this way also tends to kill radio memories etc since they usually don't like to be disconnected...

[Not a solution to your immediate problem, but something to think of for the future - for most of us: It would simplify things if the fuseblock is changed out for a modern equvivalent using blade fuses - the originals are getting way old and brittle, sometimes from fitting improper size fuses: they are designed for the slightly shorter British 1/4-inch glass fuses!
For modern blade fuses there are neat testing probes on the market that substitute as the fuse for testing purposes, like this one: http://tinyurl.com/2lbaen Makes me [at least] quite interested in a rewiring of the Wedge fuse central. Not only a better fuse design but also easier to trouble shoot...]

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Postby 1980dhc » 21 Oct 2007 04:02

The simply answer is: Its a TR7 its supposed to have some problem at any given time, and if it doesn't have a problem pinch yourself because I bet you are having a dream.

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Postby Underdog » 21 Oct 2007 10:33

Spyder has the right idea with pulling the fuses one by one. You can do it without a meter though. A simple test light between the unhooked neg cable and battery post will glow if there is a drain. If the fuse pulling doesn't extinguish the test lamp, try unhooking the alternator. If it goes out then, you have a bad diode in the alt.

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Postby black_1980_tr7 » 23 Oct 2007 12:58

on my car, the problem was the trunk lamp switch...

If you drain to dead your car's battery too often, the battery might
not be able to a good charge and may need to be replaced.

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Postby Underdog » 23 Oct 2007 18:36

Yes especially in cold weather. I always understood that a dead battery can freeze damageing the plates.

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Postby nick » 24 Oct 2007 02:35

I used Underdog's test light technique and came negative. I got to thinking that this may not test everything. For example, none of the fuses say radio. I also have some aftermarket lights under the front bumper that come on with the key off. If they are fused, I have no idea where. I also have an aftermarket power antenna that runs with the key off. No idea where it is fused. So I guess I have my work cut out.

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Postby bmcecosse » 29 Oct 2007 18:46

It's very likely to be the alternator - the diodes can fail and pass a reverse current when not charging. Simply unplug the alt when the car is not being used and see if the battery holds up that way.

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