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Trickle Charger

Postby farrikt » 05 Oct 2014 14:29

Flat battery again today ! Looks like I need to invest in a Trickle Charger. Can anyone recommend a good one ?

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Postby FI Spyder » 05 Oct 2014 15:24

I picked up up a Canadian Tire brand for half price ($20 off from a sales flyer). Doesn't do you much good though.[:(]

If your battery is going dead you either have a vampire leak draining it (measure in series between post and lead with VOM in 10 amp mode) or a dead/shorting cell which is draining the battery internally in which case only a new battery will fix.

A vampire leak is is more likely seen in a newer car than ours by faulty ICU (body module) or graphite sprayed in ignition switch for lubrication and the graphite providing an electrical track in off position. This can be cleared out with a silicone spray.

I would fix the cause rather than put on a band aid.



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Postby gaz » 05 Oct 2014 16:21

If your quick lidl have some in for for about £12


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Postby dursleyman » 05 Oct 2014 16:23

I've got a CTEK one I have had a few years and it seems to do a good job, always have a fully charged battery these days.
They have lots of new models out now and my old XS3600 is obsolete but still working fine .

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Postby jeffremj » 05 Oct 2014 16:57

Mine is an earlier version of this one:

http://tecmate.com/products/optimate-5-voltmatic/

It cost me around £45 new off ebay.

It can recover some old batteries and keeps good ones fit by occasionally discharging them to a certain level and, in doing so, it can work out the battery condition, etc.

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Postby jclay (RIP 2018) » 05 Oct 2014 17:26

It is worth your money to buy a good one with a circuit breaker!

Duncan Woods lost all three of his classic Triumph, not to mention his house year when his charger went south and put 120 volts through his battery.

<i>"IT COULD NEVER HAPPEN TO ME ...
~ Submitted by John Macartney
NO ONE EVER EXPECTS THINGS TO GO WRONG …
But they do and at the worst possible time. In this case it was the total loss of a classic car
collection. An award-winning 1935 Southern Cross "Gloria" (1 of 14 known to exist), a 1971
Triumph Stag and a Triumph Dolomite.
So, what's the story?
On Thursday, November 8, 2012, a fire broke out in the home of Duncan and Sheila Wood, a
suburban Dallas couple and members of Garagistry. Thankfully they were able to escape the fire
unharmed; but the fire consumed their entire home and its contents. Unfortunately, this included
the garage holding their three Classic vehicles.
When the fire was out, all that remained were their burnt out shells, twisted piles of steel beyond
recognition.
The fire also destroyed everything associated with their collection of Classics, including photos,
documents, receipts, trophies and awards. To make matters worse the owners found their
personal computer burnt to a crisp, the contents beyond recovery.
What makes this story important to you is the tragic irony involved. Not more than 3 weeks prior to
the fire, the classic owners joined Garagistry. Unfortunately, they had not yet uploaded their
photos, documents, restoration records, receipts to the secure storage provided. Why?
Because they never truly thought something like this would ever happen.
""We had just returned from a Texas competition event and I was having battery problems while in
Galveston, so when we got back home I installed a new battery and connected it to a trickle
charger."
"We were watching TV later that evening, when we heard crackling noises coming from the
garage. When we opened a door to the garage, we were met with a wall of flames. The fire had
already spread to the attic and was moving from one end of the house to the other.""
So, What Happened?
""Apparently a diode in the charger unit failed, causing full household
current to flow into the new battery. It quickly overheated
causing the battery to erupt into flames", he said.
The temperature where the Gloria was located was rated at
between 1600 and 1800 degrees, hot enough to vaporize every
aluminum part of the car. Nothing but steel parts remained, but
so badly warped by the heat, they were lost as well.""
To make the loss just a little more painful, Duncan's collection of
tools and machinery used to maintain or restore his Classics were lost as well.
"At least we're safe and unharmed. The cars can be replaced, we can't be", Duncan observed.
Lessons Learned ?
<font color="red"><b>When asked what other lessons Duncan had learned from this experience, this is what he told us:
EVERY garage should have a smoke alarm and the alarm should be linked to the home's alarm.
There is no guarantee you will hear the garage alarm if you are located at the other end of the house.
ANY charger unit should be plugged into a power strip unit with a built-in circuit breaker.
A short in the charger would have tripped the breaker and the household current would not have
overloaded the battery.
Classic car owners should consider having a sprinkler system installed in the garage.
For new construction, the $1-1.50 per square foot cost to have sprinklers installed is worth the greatly
reduced risk of fire damage.</b></font id="red">
What's Next?
Construction crews were already making great progress
rebuilding their home and with a true classic car owner's
attitude, he is headed to England to purchase one of the now
remaining thirteen 1935 Gloria's. We wish Duncan and Sheila
the best of luck!"

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Postby gaz » 05 Oct 2014 17:55

My mistake £13.99

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Postby saabfast » 05 Oct 2014 20:51

I had a Lidl one a bit like that but it packed up. Got a CTEK which has been very good. I leave it on all winter when the car is hibernating and never have a problem with starting in the spring. Note with any of these electronic conditioner types they will not charge a flat battery but need 6-8V left in it to start working. I have an old steam driven one I use first for flat batteries.

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Postby jeffremj » 05 Oct 2014 21:56

<blockquote id="quote"><font size="1" face="Century Gothic, Verdana, Arial, Helvetica" id="quote">quote:<hr height="1" noshade id="quote">Note with any of these electronic conditioner types they will not charge a flat battery but need 6-8V left in it to start working. <hr height="1" noshade id="quote"></font id="quote"></blockquote id="quote">This is not the case with my microprocessor controlled beast. It can work from 2V (mentioned in my manual). Here is a similar manual, showing all the clever stuff it gets up to:

http://www.tecmate-int.com/ENG/pdf/TM140DUAL-IN1-120625_HR.pdf

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Postby Last TR » 05 Oct 2014 23:31

I agree with Merv. Find and fix the problem. My 8 came with a trickle charger installed, but I have never used it due to the risk of fire. When I park the car for the winter, I disconnect the battery.

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Postby auto_cran » 05 Oct 2014 23:40

The best trickle charger by far is the Battery Tender by Deltran.

http://batterytender.com/

I've got all my cars on them. Not only can I be sure my cars always have a fully charged battery, but now my batteries last 7 to 10 years when they are always hooked up to a Battery Tender.

A little more expensive - but well worth it.


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Postby FI Spyder » 05 Oct 2014 23:59

<blockquote id="quote"><font size="1" face="Century Gothic, Verdana, Arial, Helvetica" id="quote">quote:<hr height="1" noshade id="quote"><i>Originally posted by auto_cran</i>

I've got all my cars on them. Not only can I be sure my cars always have a fully charged battery, but now my batteries last 7 to 10 years when they are always hooked up to a Battery Tender.
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The battery I got in my Spider lasted 7 years without battery tender. Disconnected during first two years in winter and periodically in several other years while I was doing a project. Only used battery tender 2 or three times a winter in last two years to bring it into maintenance mode so not sure how much they actually work.

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Postby Hasbeen » 06 Oct 2014 00:50

When I lived on my yacht, at a marina in Sydney for 4 years, I used only 12 volt power onboard. I ran everything as if cruising away from city facilities, except for battery charging.

I had an Arlic 4 amp charger permanently hooked up to some very heavy duty batteries, using shore 240V power.

With my 7 I thought I had a bad leak, as it would not hold enough power to start for more than a couple of weeks. A new battery cured this problem completely, so I assume the old battery was not taking enough charge to hold.

With my tractor, which may go a few months without being started these days, I have a small, 10" by 4" solar charger, which I hook over the fuel filler cap with a large zip tie. That battery is so old I have no idea when I bought it, but being always fully charged, it has not deteriorated.

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Postby seven » 06 Oct 2014 13:00

All my cars sit with their batteries connected and some don't get used for many months, even after 5 months the batteries still start the car when needed, however I did have the battery in the Bentley go flat within 3 days but it was found to be a faulty new battery and was replaced, so I am guessing you have a draw which is draining your battery.......Whats the bet I go to my car now and the battery is flat [:D]

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Postby farrikt » 06 Oct 2014 18:28

Thanks for the replies all. You have got me thinking now that maybe I do have something drawing on the Battery. I fitted a new radio recently so I wonder if that could be the culprit !

Kevin

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