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How many exist

Postby nick » 01 Apr 2012 00:37

Anyone know how many 7s and 8s exist today? How many were manufactured?

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Postby silverseven » 01 Apr 2012 01:41

I think the numbers were roughly 115000 TR7's built and just over 2700 TR8'S....

How many exist on the roads today ...... well given the fact that the newest cars are 30 years old, and they were more or less considered consumable vehicles ...
I'd be very surprised if there were more than 1/4 that amount on the road licensed and roadworthy.

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Postby TR Tony » 01 Apr 2012 05:22

Less than that, I think Ron.

Some investigation over here in the UK a few years ago suggested that around 10% of the UK spec production remained, either on the road or subject to our "Statutory Off Road Notification" procedure. That would be around 2,500 cars - and that has probably dwindled since.

Although the TR8 was never an official UK market vehicle, ee do have a handful of genuine TR8s which proportionally have survived in much greater numbers, no doubt due to the perceived desirability of the 8 compared to the 7.

Does anyone have any percentages for the US market cars? I would not be surprised if the 10% figure was about right for the TR7, but do I recall seeing some research done quite recently on the TR8 model which suggested a much higher percentage survival for that model in the States?

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Postby FI Spyder » 01 Apr 2012 13:35

An interesting question. Not sure about UK with it's government infested rules and regulations but here in N/A I think the number is significantly higher. Here we have more space, more garages, more multi car garages, lots of room for out buildings, barns, horse sheds, machine sheds, places to store a car waiting for the day the owner can start restoration (retirement?) or start it as a father son project etc. You don't see many on the road but I know of as many that are off the road and still you continue to see others turn up on Used (name city), Kijiji and Craigslist when the reason they are being saved lessens and other reasons grow (needed garage space, moving to another location, son/daughter wants a rice burner, etc). Of all that I personally only know of two that have been sent to auto wreckers (one was rescued from there but sent back.) I think the number still in this world would surprise us.





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Postby TR7Aaron » 01 Apr 2012 19:38

I think this may be a more complicated situation than it appears. The number of cars produced is fixed. The number of cars still licensed could be tracked down and determined (barring any illegalities). The "X" amount is the number of cars that are driveable (but probably need repairs) but are sitting in garages, barns, sheds, etc. that the owners have not licensed in years. Would these be considered survivors? IMO, yes, because there is a chance that someday, they could be/will be saved.
The other "X" factor is the number of them also sitting in garages, barns, sheds, etc. that are NOT driveable and the cost of their repairs outweigh the market value of the car. Then there are those cars that have been all but abandoned in barns, fields, etc. that are rusted heavily and stripped of parts.

Should they be counted too?

Well, if we were discussing 1969 Camaros or Plymouth Barracudas, many would say 'yes' because there are many fans of these cars that will buy a stripped out, rusted hulk and spend massive amounts of money and time to restore it. And sometimes, though not often, they actually make money when they sell them.
Since our cars don't have the fan following or the Barrett Jackson mentality of 'it's super rare and I gotta have it no matter what it costs', I don't think these 'parts cars' should be included as they will never see the road (under their own power) ever again.

Now, in the real world, TR7's and 8's show up on Craigslist and eBay fairly often and it took me around two years to find mine because I was pretty picky and wouldn't settle for 'almost what I wanted'. I still got it for a song (IMO) and that's one of the many things I like about these cars. I really don't have to worry too much about it getting stolen because no one wants these cars and there's no chop-shop market for parts. Now, if prices do shoot up astronomically when the general public realizes what a bargain they are (and relatively rare), I would be more than happy to double, maybe even triple my money, but I'm pretty sure that's a scenario that's not going to happen anytime soon.
In the meantime, I get to drive an economical car that turns lots of heads and I can't remember when I saw another one on the road unless it was in the general vicinity of a car show.

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Postby nick » 02 Apr 2012 21:15

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I bought my car in 2005 and since then, as far as I can remember, I too have not seen another TR7 or 8 on the road unless I was near a car show. If they are out there they are not being used very much.

I have averaged about 2500 mile a year without using it to go to work. It also sits a fair amount garaged in winter. And there was quite a bit of down time when the engine was out twice.

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Postby Workshop Help » 03 Apr 2012 00:10

Nick, if you were to ride with me sometime, you would see how much my TR7 is used.

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Postby nick » 03 Apr 2012 14:29

<blockquote id="quote"><font size="1" face="Century Gothic, Verdana, Arial, Helvetica" id="quote">quote:<hr height="1" noshade id="quote"><i>Originally posted by Mildred</i>

Nick, if you were to ride with me sometime, you would see how much my TR7 is used.

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It would be my pleasure.

My car is based in a small town where the longest trip is to anywhere is about ten miles. Additionally the 7 shares the garage with two stable mates that need exercise as well. The '94 4runner, with shift on the fly 4 wheel drive, gets a workout in snow and ice during the winter months. The '99 M3 usually comes out for out of town trips or on days I'm feeling really sporty. The 7 is used as the grocery getter during top down days and afternoon country drives.
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