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Fuel injection

Posted: 25 Aug 2007 09:49
by paulg
Is there a fuel injection inlet manifold that will fit the standard 2.0L engine? I can sort the electronics OK but dont have the neccessary tools to modify the manifold. Was this engine used in any other cars?

Thanks

Posted: 25 Aug 2007 10:36
by tr7jim
Paulg,

The TR7 was available with fuel injection over in the USA. One example been the TR7 Spider.

You should be able to purchase the complete used injection system most likely still. Try Robsport or S&S both have broken these type so might still have one available.

Jim Johnson

Posted: 25 Aug 2007 13:37
by birminghamtr7
i may have one i acquired some spares for mine some years ago.

if you factor in the earth's rotation, we are all speeding

Posted: 25 Aug 2007 21:43
by paulg
Hi birminghamtr7. Is the manifold for electronic or mechanical fuel injection? Any chance of a picture?

Thanks

Posted: 25 Aug 2007 22:18
by Beans
PI TR7's had electronic injection.
You can also use a TR7 Weber/Dellorto manifold in combination with throttle bodies

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Posted: 25 Aug 2007 23:45
by FI Spyder
Why would you want to modify the manifold?

Posted: 26 Aug 2007 11:57
by paulg
I want to do an EFI with port injectors, as these are easy to come by, and there is the problem with the 1-3-4-2 firing order and the siamesed inlets if converting SUs to injection. So I want 1 injector per cylinder. An inlet may already exist like this but I havnt come across one yet.

Thanks

Posted: 26 Aug 2007 14:31
by mb4tim
the FI TR7 intake is 4 ports. See my pictures... http://www.tgnagy.com/tr7/fi.cfm



-Tim
http://www.morSpeedPerformance.com
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Posted: 26 Aug 2007 16:00
by grndsm
Bosch fuel injection came on all 1980 CA TR7s and on all 50 State 1981 TR7s. It is a decent system, much like what you find in most late 80's and '90's cars.

I ended selling my complete system (intake manifold/ECU/wiring/MAS/exhaust manifold and a fuel pump) and I was very impressed by it. If I was going to keep the original 4 banger, I wouild have used it!

But there is certainly no need to design your own FI system when you have such good OEM system awailable to you! I would look for a FI parts car or someone parting one out.

Leon
'94 Eagle Talon AWD Turbo 613whp <powered by Mitsu 4G63T
'80 TR7 Spyder GS-T <undergoing Mitsu 4G63T transplant :)
http://www.cardomain.com/ride/2472999

Posted: 26 Aug 2007 18:40
by FI Spyder
[quote]<i>Originally posted by grndsm</i>

Bosch fuel injection came on all 1980 CA TR7s and on all 50 State 1981 TR7s. It is a decent system, much like what you find in most late 80's and '90's cars.

Leon
'94 Eagle Talon AWD Turbo 613whp <powered by Mitsu 4G63T
'80 TR7 Spyder GS-T <undergoing Mitsu 4G63T transplant :)
http://www.cardomain.com/ride/2472999
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Not all 1980 California cars were FI. Spiders were made from May '80 to September '80 and I have seen California Spiders on sale on ebay with Carbs (third letter in VIN is a Z).It started out as an option and some time in 1980 it became mandatory. My July 80 (build date) Spider original bill of sale stated the option was mandatory so at least half way through 1980 it became mandatory but don't know what month.

As well as intake the gas tank and sender is different although I guess you could jury rig something that would work. Easy enough to weld in a bung to fit the oxygen sensor in exaust manifold. The Bosch mutiport injection works well as Audio, VW, BMW, Saab, Mercedes used it as well. A modern multiport programmable ECU would no doubt work better but to customize that installation would be a challenge.

Posted: 26 Aug 2007 19:48
by birminghamtr7
the shiny one is my cleaned up one ready to go back on engine my spare is only different in respect of the a water pipe at a different angle on top later inlet manifold.

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Posted: 26 Aug 2007 21:43
by paulg
Were these manifolds for electronic or mechanical injection?

Posted: 26 Aug 2007 22:25
by grndsm
As I said before, they had ECU and MAS (Mass Airflow Sensor). So what do you think? [;)]

Leon
'94 Eagle Talon AWD Turbo 613whp <powered by Mitsu 4G63T
'80 TR7 Spyder GS-T <undergoing Mitsu 4G63T transplant :)
http://www.cardomain.com/ride/2472999

Posted: 27 Aug 2007 05:53
by FI Spyder
The TR7 had Bosch L-jetronic Fuel injection (electronic) with lambda feedback (oxygen sensor). Some of the BMW's didn't have the feedback (can't remember off hand if it was 528 or 530) so any changes in gas, mechanicals etc. weren't compensated for (read not as good). It was multi-port although all the injectors fired at the same time it made no difference in practice. The ECU was Bosch as well unlike the TR8 which had a Lucas ECU.

Posted: 27 Aug 2007 06:49
by jetser
But what are you trying to gain with fitting FI?
Mine has FI and I also drove it with carb's for a while.
You might save some fuel .
And the carbs have more bottom power(lower revs) and the FI systeem spreads the power more trough the whole range.
But gaining more power..
I didn't mention it.



TR7 SPIDER FI