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exhaust notes....................

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Postby Wayne S » 16 Jan 2008 21:24

As I said above, I cant fault the throaty sound from combining the Rimmers stainless sports manifold with the big bore Triumphtune system from Falcon.

Tasteful for the car with a deep burble. Nice.



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Postby Hasbeen » 16 Jan 2008 22:39

My last 7 had a 2 inch exhaust, with front & back boxes. I was told
that it was a Rimmers system the PO had imported.

They had backed the rear muffler tail pipe into something, damaging
the back of the box, to the extent that it was hard to repair.

I had to fit a bit of 2 & 9/16 inch pipe to get to a good welding
base. This was only about 8 inches long.

The change in the exhaust note was amazing. It was much deeper, &
throaty, up to about 3,500 RPM, with little change above that. It
was not the least intrusive on a long run.

For 5 years I have been threatening to do the same thing to my
present 7, which has a 2.25 inch system, from a stock cast iron
header, & is very quiet. Of course, you all know that you should
not rush into these things.

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Postby Philip » 17 Jan 2008 09:48

Interesting comment about Triumphtune. I have a Triumphtune fast road conversion on my 81 DHC. Done by the PO in the mid eighties. It has the four branch manifold but a locally made stainless system for the rest (by Wildcat). I also have experienced delays when asking Moss for anything related to Triumphtune - specifically what jets to use in the 40DCOEs for altitude running. What worries me is if anything happens to the converted engibe components - I have teh original carbs and inlet manifold but not the head etc.

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Postby Beans » 17 Jan 2008 19:14

<blockquote id="quote"><font size="1" face="Century Gothic, Verdana, Arial, Helvetica" id="quote">quote:<hr height="1" noshade id="quote"><i>Originally posted by Hasbeen</i>

...Of course, you all know that you should
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Agree [:D]

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Postby Orophin » 19 Jan 2008 22:02

Yes I agree as well. But you must start somewhere. So gaz...you getting a custom built exhaust then? I still want to know if the sports systems from S+S n Rimmers are any good.

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Postby gaz » 20 Jan 2008 12:14

probably i'll have a chat to see what exactly he has in mind and check out the cost

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Postby jclay (RIP 2018) » 20 Jan 2008 20:37

[url="http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=wAn8rgrcGRU&feature=related"]Better Flowing Exhaust[/url]

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Postby Beans » 20 Jan 2008 20:51

[:D] [:D] [:D]
Didn't know you Yanks had such good sense of humor [:p]

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Postby mikehardwick » 21 Jan 2008 08:08

Oh! Was it a joke? I was just about to ask jclay where you get that stuff![:o)]

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Postby paul w » 21 Jan 2008 18:41

Yesiree,dont forget to get all your 'ducts' in a row!The thermostat
is a nice touch but how the hell does he see the road forwards?
has he fitted a periscope?

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Postby fiveliters » 24 Jan 2008 20:36

I realize we aren't talking about V8s,but is there any downside to making the exhaust more free flowing,regarding pulse scavenging, or is the displacement of these such that it is so minimal,as to not be an issue? I've heard that going with too large of an exhaust reduces the backpressure and actually hurts the power or worse. I'd seen the header and Monza exhaust VB and a few others offer,and don't think those are too radical,but once you begin doing custom pipes,you almost don't have a point of reference to go by as to what is too big or too small. Thoghts?

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Postby paul w » 24 Jan 2008 20:58

I've been told that the single pipe is best for performance on the
Rover v8.The size of bore of the manifold and system affects the
flow efficiency.If the bore is too big it will slow exhaust gas,
which is bad for cylinder scavenging.The smaller trhe bore,the
quicker gas escapes,optimising scavenging.I guess the manufacturers
have sussed most of the best solutions for us,but i reckon Hasbeen
will have dabbled with pipe size on race cars.

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Postby Wayne S » 24 Jan 2008 21:59

As I understand, its simialr to the design of musical instruments like trumpets etc.

Too narrow a bore and you get to high back pressure and nodes forming in the airflow. Too large and the gases cant gain sufficient pressure to give them efficient movement.

Therefore there must be an "optimum" bore.

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Postby paul w » 24 Jan 2008 22:44

At the risk of being called a 'large bore',the optimum bore is
stated as 1.6" or 1.75" for a large performance lump.This is
quoted from David Hardcastle's book Tuning Rover V8 engines
isbn 978 0 85429 933 1

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Postby Hasbeen » 24 Jan 2008 23:29

No Paul, we just copied the "good" stuff, imported mostly from the
UK. I do have an experience that shows just how critical exhaust
tuning can be.

I was racing a Brabham F2, [UK formula junior] Cosworth 1100cc Ford Anglia
105E engine, with 114 BHP at 7,600 RPM. It was an engine we had
developed ourselves, but still had a Cosworth exhaust manifold, &
their A6 cam.

Being rear engined, there was not much room to fit a long enough
tuned exhaust system. To overcome this the rear 2 feet was a
trumpet, like the old motor bikes, expanding from about 2" to 6"
over its length. It was a 4 into 2 into 1 system, & the 2 into 1
was included in the front of the trumpet.
Even this stuck out the back of the car, by over a foot, so, it was
removable for transport, held on with a small bolt, & a tension
spring.

These engines had a useful rev range from about 6,500 RPM, when the
cam came in, to 8,000, where point bounce, in the Lucas distributor
turned the sparks off. They realy had nothing below that 6,500 range.

In one race the car suddenly lost everything below 7,200 RPM. It was
as if a new cam had been fitted, with 7200 as its cut in point.
Fortunately for me, it was near the finish of the race, & I managed
to hold my place, as the loss of rev range cost me just
OVER 2 SECONDS a lap.

There did not seem to be any loss of power, once it came in, but
thats just a feeling.

It was only once I was back in the pits, after the race, that we
found the tailpipe missing, & the answer to why we lost that power,
so suddenly.

Fortunately, one of the flag marshals heard the change in engine
note, & looked quickly enough to see the pipe slide off the track.
He was also quick enough to get it off the spectator, who was going
to souvenir it, not knowing of course, just how critical it was to
me.

After this, we spent 6 months, working with Bosch, to develop a
disy that would eliminate that point bounce, & let the thing rev
to the 10,000 RPM, the bottom end was safe to. We thought we'd won
the lottery when we succeeded.
In great expectation we put the engine on the dyno.

Guess what? The cam dropped its bundle at 8,200 RPM, & the thing
still was useless over that. It just ran out of breath above that.
Cosworth had maximised the engine, with what they had, & kept out
of expensive "special" gear.

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