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Postby UKPhilTR7 » 07 Mar 2008 12:21

<b><font color="blue">I have got a gassless mig welder and as yet, I have not been able to use it on the car as my welding skills are not up to much. I have been unable to get a good finish on it. Would anyone be able to give me some hints about good welding or point me in the direction of a good site?
I think it may be due to the feed and voltage mix, but at this stage I am not too sure.</font id="blue"></b>

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Postby Yoke » 07 Mar 2008 12:57

If your using gasless make sure your using gasless wire. I've tried gasless and I have to say using gas does a much nicer job.[:D] Like yourself I don't have gas and it gets frusturating but not much you can do.[:(] I think[?] My welding skills are moderate to below average and my knowledge of actually welding theories is a big zero. Any welders on this site that can help out[?]

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Postby marknotgeorge » 07 Mar 2008 15:01

Here's an excellent site for those who wish to learn MIG welding:

http://www.mig-welding.co.uk

There's tutorials, and a forum with everyone from new welders, to experienced fabricators, as well as some decent suppliers who will give good advice.

As for gasless - it's not really suitable for body thickness steel. Get yourself some Argon/CO2 mix, and you'll find you can see what you're doing better, and the welds will be neater with less burn-through.

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Postby Bill » 08 Mar 2008 12:39

Hi Phil,
Your settings for the mig welder should be around 190 wire speed and 19 volts to start with, for thinner metal, reduce to 17 volts and 170 wire speed. play with these settings until you are comfortable with your bead. We in the business use 19/190 setting for everything from sheet metal to pipe.
Yoke makes a valid point, make sure you are using gasless wire. Gas does make a nicer weld. Make sure the area to be welded is clean. Mig has a harder time burning through paint or rust than Arc welding.

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Postby UKPhilTR7 » 11 Mar 2008 18:53

<font color="blue"><b>Hi there,
I have had a look at my welder and all it has got is a hi-low switch, 1-2 switch and a turn dial hi to low called wire speed.
Any ideas on which would be the best setting to start of with as I currently have the wire speed half way and the switches set to hi and 1</b></font id="blue">

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Postby Bill » 13 Mar 2008 09:56

Hmmm, nope, never encountered such a beastie [?]

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Postby marknotgeorge » 14 Mar 2008 19:40

What current rating is your welder, Phil?

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Postby UKPhilTR7 » 18 Mar 2008 06:58

<font color="blue"><b>Mark, it says on the box that the rating is 25 - 130amp. At the moment, I think I have it half way. It welds OK, but I am trying to get a nice beed line.</b></font id="blue">

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Postby marknotgeorge » 20 Mar 2008 22:43

Phil, sorry for the delay, but I'm not able to get to the computer as often as normal. My laptop's got a power jack made by Lucas. [}:)]

You need to use a fairly low setting for bodywork thickness steel. According to the [url][/url]Make sure the steel you're practising on is clean and shiny (run over it with a flap wheel in an angle grinder), and that if it's galvanised, that you've got the zinc off. Zinc's very bad news - it contaminates the weld, and the fumes can make you ill.

The right wire speed will make a nice 'sizzling bacon' sound. Too much wire speed will cause the torch to stab as the wire hits the metal. Too little, and the arc will splutter and the wire will burn back, possibly welding itself to the tip. If you burn through, drop the power and/or move faster. If you don't get enough penetration (Look at the underside of the weld. There should be some discolouration, but not too much build-up), move slower and/or up the power. You don't need big long beads when welding bodywork. Stitch it by welding an inch or so here and there, movng around to minimise distortion.

Trouble is, the arc with gasless wire is harsh and spattery, with a bright light and lots of smoke that make it hard to see what's going on.

If you post some pictures on the mig welding website, people will tell you were you're going wrong and offer some good advice.


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